"Clumsy, deliberately self-defeating, ineptitude"
It looks like some who are rabidly critical of the way President Bush is handling his ultra-complex tasks can't even organize a protest.
posted by steve u. at 9/14/2006
Utah House of Representatives
posted by steve u. at 9/14/2006
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My own sentiments, exactly. Ironically, Rocky's and his little band of "Rockheads" my actually be useful. Many are so disgusted with Rocky's bombastic dribble that his opposition to anything tempts the rest of us to believe the opposite. Voin Campbell
I went to the support bush rally, and there were some left over "Rock"ettes there, obviously they had nowhere else to be like work or with family. It was amazing! These folks all had colored greasy hair, mohawks, scroungy pants, and crude, filthy mottos on their shirts. IF THAT IS THE CLASS OF FOLKS SUPPORTING ROCKY AND THE LIBERALS...THEY CAN HAVE THEM!! I went home that night and thanked God I was a Republican....
Carl W.
This is a response to Carl W(immer):
Through hate speech and anecdotal encounters you are generalizing large swaths of the Utah population (non-Republicans). Generalizing is a dangerous ethical and logical fallacy, especially when directed to minority viewpoints. Remember how our LDS ancestors were treated?
I'm not defending Rocky Anderson - he does not represent the majority of Utah Democrats and certainly not me. But he's not evil just because he thinks differently from you.
Politics are mostly about power but they should also be about respect. I hope you will remember this if you are elected.
Although I disagree with you on vouchers, I still respect you as a person.
Even if you find those in the Legislature who will agree with your perspective on the world, it doesn't make it right to belittle and disregard those who don't.
I'm very serious about this - your comments reflect an attitude that must change. Showing disrespect is a boomerang that will in time come back to hurt you and the causes you espouse.
Everyone regardless of their politics deserves respect. I expect policymakers to be exemplars of this attitude, NOT proponents of prejudice.
Craig Johnson
Draper, Utah
Craig,
Of course I fully understand that Rocky does not reflect the views of many Democrats in Utah. I was adding the "Thanked God" part more for humor than anything else, although I am as proud to be a Republican as any Democrat is to be in their party. But please sir do not accuse me of "hate speech" simply because I refuse to bow down to the god of political correctness! You can not tell me that I MUST respect the un-respectable.
You said Quote "everyone, regardless of their politics deserves respect" No they dont! I do not have to respect everyones ideas. Thank the Good Lord everyone did not respect, Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini's "Political ideas"!
I am not saying that the Democrats espouse these ideas, I am just pointing out that to respect "everyone's" ideas at the sake of what is right and wrong is a deadly road to follow.
The folks I saw at this event were wearing sick, foul language on their shirts, they were speaking crudely (in front of children) and most of the "men" were wearing make-up. I do not have to repect such behavior, nor do I have to respect the people who act this way!
I will never treat them un-kindly as that simply is not the type of person I am. I am gentle by nature and always strive to follow the golden rule, however, I do not have to respect such filth, even if it is the "minority" viewpoint.
Carl
Carl,
There's no need to bring up dictators and murderers when the subject is a few malcontent hangers-on at a rally. That takes the discussion to an unnatural extreme and distorts my intent. You generalized a "class of folks" and it rubbed me the wrong way.
I believe that lawmakers should err on the side of respect. This doesn't mean they must condone offending behaviors or sacrifice their moral beliefs. To me, it is a sign of moral strength to reach out and understand who someone is or what someone has to say even if it is completely different from one's own opinions or violates social norms. Understanding does not imply acceptance.
Your comments seemed more at home with far-right radio personalities than with a dignified law-enforcement officer and future legislator. I've heard from folks who endorse you and so I guess I expected a little more.
Thanks...Craig.
Craig,
I am enjoying this conversation and hope it can remain civil. I am not sure how you know me, especially since I do not live in your area, you must keep a pretty close eye on politics. I think you have completley mis-understood my original post. I NEVER once "generalized" anyone. I described the people who were left over at the rally and if you were there and saw them, then you would have seen that my catagorization was correct in this case. Is it my fault I am describing them the way they were?
I am guessing that you thought I was ripping on Democrats, but if you read my post you will see that I never once mention Democrats. I was speaking strictly about a class of people who did not care how many mothers were there, how many little kids were there, and who they were offending with there foul mouths. I have some very good friends who are moral upstanding citizens who are Democrats. I am sorry IF you thought I was placing all Democrats into that group of people, but if that was the case, then that was your assumption not anything I said.
"You expected more"? What more do you want? I am standing on the side of right on this issue. They were wrong for what they did. They were wrong in the way they were acting. I dont need, nor do I care to understand that. If you think that makes me insensitive, I am sorry.
While you may be the type that would go up to this group and try to understand why they insisted on calling the speakers and others in attendence names I am emberassed to repeat, I am not. Does that make you greater or more enlightened than me? Craig my friend, you do not know me. I am a loving father who is dedicated to his family, God and country. I am a police officer who is willing to lay his life down for the people I serve, yes, even the people I saw at the rally if needs be. I am honest. I continually strive to improve myself and better my imperfections. I am sorry that you expected more from me, but perhaps you have done exactly what you are claiming I did to the rally group...juded me without knowing who I am.
Carl
A little protest of my own - I have just discovered that your site feed does not seem to have been updated since late June. Thought you might want to know.
I guess if a bunch of old hippies in Salt Lake can’t effectively organize a rally, the War in Iraq MUST be justified, visionary and noble.
Tom,
The logical leap you make is far too great. Whether a group has the skills to organize a protest speaks in no way to the wisdom of the war in Iraq.
But it is funny that the hypercritical can't even pull off a protest.
Rep U,
The far reaching logical leap was yours, not mine (I'll be sure to explicitly place TIC next time).
Hypercritical? Expectations that the reasons we went to war (WMD's, links to al-Quada) would be substantiated are hypercritical?
If so, count me among the hypercritical.
The war, the cost and the lies that started and continue it are indefensible. Period. No attempt to discredit opposition can refute the evidence.
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